Still Debating on Moving … Arg! (Comments Welcome)

Alright, so I'm still going back and forth on the debate to move to the new site with 35% rakeback and constant reload bonuses. Basically the way it works (as you can read from the last post) is that it's really one or the other (not both) at that site.

At the estimated calculated rate, I can grind about $400 in bonuses at the new site if I play 18,000 hands at 100nl 6max. On top of that I can probably count on another $50 in bonus money or rakeback leftover, so basically $450 in "rakeback/bonus/whatever" is pretty good. In addition I think my expected win-rate should be higher at this site because the competition is soft, but not THAT much higher because game selection isn't great.

At PokerStars playing at GoldStar Level means basically 12% rakeback and around $185 per month. It takes about 22,000 hands to hit Platinum for a better return so since the previous calculation was done at 18,000 hands per month I have to keep it at that 12% = $185 number.

So in pure dollars one site will return $450 to me for playing there, while another will return $185.

There are other factors, specifically:

  • Reward $$ per month (already discussed above)
  • Software (Clear advantage for PokerStars)
  • Scripts (Clear advantage for PokerStars)
  • Traffic (Clear advantage for PokerStars)
  • Regulars (Clear advantage for New Site)
  • Trust (Clear advantage for PokerStars)

I have been weighing each category and have a spreadsheet with an algrothym and all that fancy jazz.  Basically each one I do comes out a wash.  The debate of "Reward $$ + Bad Regs" = "Software + Scripts + Traffic + Trust" and I can't move either way.

Schools of thought:

  1. Move to "New Site" and grind out the bonus (it would take like 10 months to grind out 100% of my bankroll) and see just how soft the competition is and what my expected win-rate would be.  Weigh the advantages of increased reward money + (assumed) higher win-rate over the plusses of PokerStars.
  2. Wait to see what the new VIP promotions at PokerStars will be in June and July.  Apparently something is coming but chances are it will simply be another month with an instant cash bonus at the concierge rate.  Grind the 50nl on "New Site" while I play 100nl at Stars, and possibly barely make GoldStar at Stars.
  3. Screw the mindgames of rakeback and bonus money and just stick it out at Stars, and make a serious and well planned effort at playing enoug hands to at least make Platinum.

Your thoughts???

7 Comments

  1. WVHillbilly

    I assume you don’t have / can’t get RB at FTP???

    I would try out the new site for a month or so and then make an informed decision.

  2. icemonkey9

    Unfortunately do not have rakeback at Full Tilt, and I don’t know of a way to get it. However:

    RB+IronMan (FTP) > GoldStar VIP

    RB+Reload Bonuses (New Site) > RB+IronMan (FTP)

  3. Just play more and get SN at Stars :)

    What I would do is move to the other site with the 35% rakeback for awhile and see if u can stand the software/make a higher hourly than u could at stars then stay there, if not, move back.

  4. Have to agree with the boys here Sean. Also, following up on conversations you and I have had in the past for personal reasons I STRONGLY suggest you do try the new site. Maybe stop focusing so much on RB/bonuses/VIP levels etc. and get back to focus on kicking some arse (or ass as you in America say)

    FWIW – I think you’ll rip it up at a site that doesn’t sink you on the river as often as others cough cough.

  5. Jurn8

    Yo Sean, Im sure you could make platinum playing 100nl its ~21.5k at 6max and ~22.7k at FR.
    But if you cant make that volume then I would suggest moving sites as there isnt really much point in playing on stars for like 12% RB or whatever gold is worth.

  6. I play on Cake RB has been spectacular. This has been the best move of my poker career. I would definite recommend moving to a site with good RB.

    my 2 cent

  7. One thing i constantly tell people is that although the traffic on both stars and tilt is obviously superior to anywhere else, the competition on these two sites is the most difficult online, and the return from the vip/rakeback is terrible. I’d personaly play anywhere other than those two. You can get up to 40% with certain offers on cake skins, and the games are much softer as well. poker rakeback

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