I’ve Got Friends in PLO Places

I'm facing a weird dilemma with this post. For the most part I've wanted to keep my jump into Pot Limit Omaha pretty much a secret. For one thing, as someone who has been known to tilt once or twice in his life (lol) Omaha is a tilting-variance game so it doesn't seem like a good fit. Second, I've put a lot of time, effort and coaching into my NLHE game and to not use it seems like a waste. Third, when you tell people you play Omaha game they either call you a gambler or just look at you like you have the bubonic plague.

I made some good cases for Omaha in a couple of articles I wrote for pokernewsdaily.com which you can read here:

- Omaha Manager Released
- Falling in Love with Pot Limit Omaha

There's a lot of people that think that PLO is the future of internet poker with Hold'em games getting dry due to the dwindling number of fish and increase in information on how to get better (quick) at poker. It's like Sammy Farha said, if Hold'em is the Cadillac of Poker, then Omaha is the Corvette. If you know me, you know I've always driven a sports car, and I've always wanted a 'Vette!   :)

So to move the story along, I've been playing PLO25 during this "NLHE Break" I've been on for a week or so. I've learned some interesting things about the game, including:

  • This game definitely isn't for everyone. Wild swings, big variance and more difficult "drawing" strategy is at the core to the game.
  • PLO25 is a great place to start in terms of super micro stakes to just learn the fundamentals and nuances of the game.  However, you can still learn "on the job" at PLO50 since the players are so bad.
  • You really do need at least 50 buy-ins per level to take a shot, and probably 60 is ideal.
  • Most people at the PLO25 and PLO50 tables are downright terrible at poker.  This means that I've found that the opportunity for a huge winrate greatly outweighs the pitfalls of making mistakes yourself and negative results as resulted by variance (aka losing 60-40s or 75-25s).
  • The videos at Stox Poker for PLO are woefully thin on content.  I've been a big champion for Stox in the past, but when it comes to PLO I have not been impressed.
  • It's hard to find an online community that talks about Omaha.  There's a couple of decent online training sites and a couple of worthwhile books, but that's about it.

Unfortunately at my favorite online poker community, CardsChat, there is basically zero there in terms of Omaha discussion and theory.  I tried starting a thread which had some interesting life behind it at first before dying in about a month's time.  I don't normally speak highly of the 2p2 forums but in this case, the Omaha guys seem a cut above the rest of the site.  I put out a somewhat cheeky post titled "Will You Be My Omaha Friend" where I explain that out of all the poker friends I have online, only one plays Omaha and that's just not enough to stay sane.  Fortunately, I got about 7 great responses from people that were similar to me, playing PLO25 or so, trying to get the hang of it and build a big bankroll (you need 60 to 70 buyins per level at PLO) and move on in stakes.  So, I've made a bunch of new friends specific to PLO which is great news.

Again, I am not totally sure how long this adventure with PLO will last.  I imagine if the US Government finally legalized online poker the fish would come rushing back mainly to NLHE and I'd immediately go to where the fishy action could be found.  For now though I'm enjoying poker and making money, which means my poker expectations (despite the game) are being met.

4 Comments

  1. WVHillbilly

    Did these new friends get an invite to your Birthday Bash??? :)

    Are you playing 6-max or FR PLO? Still on Cereus?

  2. icemonkey9

    None of these new friends were invited to my b-day bash :) Maybe next yearr.

    I am not playing PLO at Cereus, that network has like 3 or 4 PLO tables during peak hours so it’s impossible to play there. Back at Stars for now.

  3. I play a lot of PLO and PLO8 but at very low stakes as I am still slowly building up my bankroll. I am a winning player, but a casual single tabler… so… it might be a while before I’m rubbing shoulders with you.

    And I also frequent CC but don’t tend to post much serious in the way of poker as sometimes I feel like it can be a feeding frenzy of … well never mind… I just lurk and quip mostly.

    But one reason I love PLO(8) is these are games where post flop play is somewhat more sophisticated than holdem. Once you play them holdem seems kinda 2 dimensional. Plus there seems (as you comment) to be far more mushy play at every level i have tried. Even with the inherent swingyness of omaha I make money easily playing either game (at the small limits).

    In my humble opinion any NLHE player would benefit from spending time in this game as it develops a sensitivity in the post flop play that will help even really good nlhe players. At least once they stop being afraid of flushes and full houses back at the 2 card table.

  4. WVHillbilly

    This post inspired me to play a little PLO last night (it was a needed night off from the NL tables). I just single tabled a 6-max .25/.50 table. Man are the players horrible. I think I played about an hour (63 hands) and won ~$40 just playing tight and waiting for decent starting hands.

    Get your FT rb issues worked out yet?

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